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Title: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: themole on Saturday 04 August 2012, 1052
Looks like Holyhead is about to be stripped of another piece of history, with the closure of garreglwyd residential home now looking likely. Then again when the council start talking about big development in the area ie: lorry park- wyfa b - biomass plant- holiday park-new prison-new marina-blaa blaa blaa) its usually followed by the real truth which in this case is a close-down, same s*** different day.
Title: Re: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: Porty on Saturday 04 August 2012, 1758
Very sad to hear but with all these cut backs what else will go.
Title: Re: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: 110samec on Saturday 04 August 2012, 1837
It was said thats it set to close in a matter of weeks. They can't afford to run it apparently.
Title: Re: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: Shell on Monday 06 August 2012, 0008
So what's going to happen to the residents?  And will the staff lose their jobs?
Title: Re: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: Che Guevaras Flip Flops on Monday 06 August 2012, 1033
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2012/08/04/staff-and-residents-devastated-as-closure-plan-for-anglesey-home-55578-31546707/
Title: Re: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: Trefignath on Monday 06 August 2012, 1510
This is one of the cut-backs we've been told are coming because "there's not enough money around." Supposedly.
Title: Re: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: 110samec on Monday 06 August 2012, 2112
Yet they have all this money to spend on a bridge no one needs and a waterfront development no one wants
Title: Re: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: Cod on Monday 06 August 2012, 2117
One of the few things in Holyhead that they should actually be trumpeting about. My missus couldn't believe that it was council-run when we visited a relative in there!
Title: Re: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: Millbanker on Tuesday 07 August 2012, 1756
Thanks Cod for bringing this thread back to top of the pile, it is very important that this care home is saved from closing it is  more important than the Newry and Penrhos developments, the care home being closed will effect all the locals,there is a petition going around i saw it today on Face Book and signed it so I hope you all follow suit.
Thanks Millbanker
Title: Re: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: 110samec on Tuesday 07 August 2012, 1923
Theres a petition form in Ponthwfa Stores.
Title: Re: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: Cod on Tuesday 07 August 2012, 2307
Online petition: http://goo.gl/bwLPN
Title: Re: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: Che Guevaras Flip Flops on Wednesday 08 August 2012, 1909
Online petition: http://goo.gl/bwLPN

There is also a paper petition in the Co-op.

This is the weakness of petitions at times.  Many people will sign one or the other thinking they can't sign both when in fact they are separate.  This in turn dilutes them.

So please sign both.
Title: Re: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: Porty on Wednesday 08 August 2012, 2139
Im sure i've seen on facebook that a public meeting will be held i shall try and find it.
Title: Re: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: Reenie on Thursday 09 August 2012, 2048
Public Meeting To Discuss The Proposed Closure Of Garreglwyd Residential Home
Tuesday 21st August 2012 ... 6.30PM...Holyhead High School Hall.


Please Come and Support..

ALL WELCOME!!!

Please copy and paste, so the word get around!..Thank you.
Title: Re: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: Jean on Thursday 09 August 2012, 2228
As we know, other care homes are also under the threat of closure, including this English one, Greenwood House in Netherton, Peterborough (http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/politics/politics-news/tense-meeting-of-staff-over-proposed-closure-of-care-homes-1-4014807).

I found this PDF (which seemed to take a while to download), Care Homes closures, the Law, its practice and the implications (http://www.ragenational.com/pdfs/closure_facts.pdf) by solicitor Yvonne Hossack.  Although it was written some years ago, and doesn't mention any homes in Wales (I'm not sure what the differences between England and Wales might be here), it explains the situation and process in some detail. 

Point 6.4 is worth looking at:

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The main ground of legal challenge which the Courts are likely to consider is that the Consultation was flawed. It is a matter of regret that the better the campaign the less likely it is that the Court will consider Consultation to be inadequate. This is because a Local Authority merely needs to show that it has considered matters and not that it has made the “right” decision based on the information it has received.

Unfortunately, Ms. Hossack herself has experienced some legal setbacks, (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/underdogs-solicitor-locked-out-of-legal-aid-2207447.html) but is continuing to help other care home residents (http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/9550369.Pensioners_will_not_be_moved/) whose homes are threatened with closure.
Title: Re: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: Millbanker on Thursday 09 August 2012, 2307
Public Meeting To Discuss The Proposed Closure Of Garreglwyd Residential Home
Tuesday 21st August 2012 ... 6.30PM...Holyhead High School Hall.
Please Come and Support..ALL WELCOME!!! Please copy and paste, so the word get around!..Thank you.
Title: Re: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: Reenie on Friday 10 August 2012, 0945
Many years ago, I worked at Garreglwyd.
Before my time as an employee, it was just Garreglwyd Home, the place where Nain said she’d end up and I’d better come and visit her.
My Nain did end up there and the fact that I worked there was great.
As my Nain approached her 90’s she began to lose some of her faculties. It was so distressing to see her while this horrible transition was occurring. She had been such a stoic and strong woman, so wonderfully “Holyhead Mam” and really, the nucleus of the family. We used to visit her in Treaddur Square after school, during lunch, before going out, sleep over, drink strong a (http://forum.caergybi.com/images/panad.jpg) and eat bechdan jams. – We loved her so much.
Nain was eventually assigned to a nursing home somewhere in “the country” because there was no room for her locally. She was so unhappy, so lonely. Nain knew no one and even though we visited as much as we could, it didn’t help her or us.

Then one day we got the message that Nain had a place at Garreglwyd. Brilliant! She arrived a quiet, withdrawn old lady with no concept of life around her. Such a heart wrenching experience, to see our wonderful Nain so defeated. A week later, well Blydi Nora, her beautiful white hair was set and glistening like a gorgeous curly halo. She had on a dress she hadn’t worn in yonks, her nails were lacquered and ..when we walked in, her eyes lit up. Dammittal, she recognised us and was made-up to see us. We had a great chat, “Violet Butler works here, she’s your Auntie you know.. and Betty Parry and Beryl and Mona....I knew their Mams” and so it went.
My Mam went to visit and bumped into a resident who was an old neighbour from her childhood, she was thrilled and “Cath” even more so because Mam started to visit her too. She had no family left and so looked forward to the unexpected visits. My Nain was playing cards, getting her hair done, blackguarding all her old nemeses and having the best time. Because she was happy, her family were also less stressed and life became better. Garreglwyd connects people.
When I got to work there, I met lots of old characters, Bob Hosking, (The origin of my nickname came from Bob “yr hen blydi Shareen ‘na”) Georgie Bach, Maggie “Crogan”, Annie Huyten, Ronnie, Gwilym, John L..the list is endless. What all these people had in common, except for the residency at Garreglwyd and being funny, interesting people,  was that they had no family left. Their family was each other and the staff at Garreglwyd. The men helped with dishes, doing the gardens, all sorts. They sat together watching telly and playing dominos of an evening.
They had company and it was home.
What I’m attempting to show here, is that only is Garreglwyd necessary for elderly people who still have families, it’s essential for those who don’t. It gives people who are written off by society a place to live again, to enjoy what’s left of their lives and to end their lives in a place where they have spent happy years. A place where someone is holding their hands, while they pass onto whatever follows.
The Great girls who work there don’t consider it a job, it’s a vocation. It’s something you do because you grow to love these old people. The elderly living there don’t just love you back, they depend on you.
After the indescribable agony of taking her into the country and quashing her spirit in another care-home, for the few short months we had left with her Garreglwyd gave us our Nain back.
Garreglwyd gives elderly people hope.
Garreglwyd provides not only jobs, it provides purpose.
Apart from being a fantastic care home, with a wonderful reputation. Garreglwyd is a strong root in Holyhead’s society.
Rona, the Matron was a care assistant when I worked there, 25 years ago – doesn’t that prove how much Garreglwyd means to people and how its staff does more than just “care”?

Don’t take it away.
Title: Re: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: gazza on Friday 10 August 2012, 1052
Reens, you ought to get that in the paper.
Title: Re: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: Reenie on Friday 10 August 2012, 1105
Cheers Gazza.

Anyone want to do it for us ? The HaM won't do it but if anyone would like to use it - feel free. I live in Holland now so I can't.
Title: Re: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: Gavalaaah on Friday 10 August 2012, 1327
Hi folks! Thanks for letting me join, I too am incensed at the chwinks in LLangefni making our seniors and us pay for their mistakes!

What will be left when it's our turn to go into a home? I've been putting petitions in the shops around town and my sister has started the online one.

Basically we need to get as much coverage as possible for this, even more so as the council have been so devious about this plan.

They had a meeting last November to agree the closure plan, then the Council Executive went and sat with the residents in December and had mince pies with them.
It just begs belief!!! :o
I'm trying to get people together next week to pool our resources and will be in town Monday with petitions outside the YMCA shop (Woolies).

The little I know so far is that this closure is to do with cost cutting, they Council have brought in an advisor (at what cost I don't know) from Preston in the shape of Stephen Sloss. A hatchet man basically, nothing he's advised on seems to stay open long!

He's worked for the Council since January, so how the councillors can say they didn't know is anyone's guess, unless they mean the Holyhead Councillors?

Anglesey Councils' comment in the H&A mail that the cost of maintenance is too high is another fault of theirs as they have not maintained the home, even going as far as to leave it off the contract for getti the garden cut!
I've already had an offer of free services from an electrician to do the PAT and inspection and testing there, I'm sure between us we can muster up the required skills to do what's necessary and keep the place going?

Sorry, if I'm digressing, outside I'm cool, inside I'm tamping!!!

If I get any more info I'll keep you updated, and thanks for caring. I don't think Holyhead needs rebranding, it just needs a common cause for us to unite behind and remind us of what is important.    ;D

 
Title: Re: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: Jean on Friday 10 August 2012, 1612

They had a meeting last November to agree the closure plan, then the Council Executive went and sat with the residents in December and had mince pies with them. 


Compare this with para 5.2. of the PDF (http://www.ragenational.com/pdfs/closure_facts.pdf) which I linked to in my earlier post:

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... the question of whether a care home is to close is driven by Budgetary considerations so that a decision will be made between December and February in order to allow the Council to set its budget in the February.

From the Daily Post article (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2012/08/04/staff-and-residents-devastated-as-closure-plan-for-anglesey-home-55578-31546707/) (4 8 12):

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... Iona Dunwoodie, 37, of Moreton Road, Holyhead  ... said ... "It is an upheaval and as a result of this I think there will be deaths – some of the elderly people won’t be able to cope, it will take its toll.”

Compare this comment with Section 4 of the PDF, entitled "Health effects, including mortality, of involuntary transfer" (Relocation stress syndrome).

From the Daily Post article (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2012/08/04/staff-and-residents-devastated-as-closure-plan-for-anglesey-home-55578-31546707/) again:

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A member of staff, who asked not to be named, said ... “They’ve said they are going to close the home and it will probably happen in the next seven weeks and that the quicker that process the less painful it will be ... ”

Compare that statement with point 5.5.5 from the PDF:

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The Local Authority tell relatives that they are extremely concerned that the resident is becoming stressed and it is better to find them a new home immediately so as to bring this stress to an end.

Finally, it's very important, apparently, that the Local Authority are able to demonstrate that they did carefully observe all the processes required during the consultation period, although (8.3):

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There is no duty on a Local Authority to inform residents of their right to challenge nor that they should take independent legal advice. From which it follows that none are helped or enabled to take such advice.

Thus far, therefore, this case seems to be following the pattern of many others ...
Title: Re: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: Reenie on Friday 10 August 2012, 2023
https://www.facebook.com/groups/save.garreglwyd/271743009592989/?notif_t=group_comment_reply
Title: Re: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: Che Guevaras Flip Flops on Saturday 11 August 2012, 0959
I'm trying to get people together next week to pool our resources and will be in town Monday with petitions outside the YMCA shop (Woolies).

Gavalaaah,  there are at least three different paper petitions doing the rounds now as well as at least one internet one.    Someone needs to set up an official campaign group,  consolidate it,  brief the local press and have one controlled Official Petition or you will run the risk of it being diluted.  Officialdom finds it very easy to rebuff half-a-dozen separate petitions, picking them off one at a time , than dealing with one all mighty thumper in one go.
Title: Re: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: Jean on Saturday 11 August 2012, 1046
It would be helpful if it could be discovered whether the Council had acted unlawfully at any point. 

For instance, was the consultation procedure adequate, and was it properly followed? 

Is this a case where a Judicial Review might be appropriate?
Title: Re: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: Cod on Saturday 11 August 2012, 1815
These are images that Millbanker (http://forum.caergybi.com/index.php?action=profile;u=636) asked me to put up to show what the council are trying to close.

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Title: Re: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: Carnedyr on Saturday 11 August 2012, 1926
You know I got a feeling if the Council do what they want, they will sell the property probably for less than it's worth and make some handy cash for their budget. Also make good friends with any prospective buyer and any related handshakes will be profitable. Or is it typical cynical me?

The place is a big asset for Holyhead and should be treated as such.
Title: Re: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: Gavalaaah on Wednesday 22 August 2012, 0944
Well... now that we've had the meeting I think it's definitely time to consolidate our assets and meet as one group to discuss the way forward and join forces.

As far as I can surmise, the council have contravened the Assembly's guidance on Care home closures which is to do with consultation, namely the fact that they haven't discussed this with family, residents or staff properly.

Maybe this is why we can wave goodbye to Mr Schloss....sloth...shloss...Slosss? As those of us who were at the meeting last night heard, he was not overly keen on answering quite why the council had discussed the closure of Garreglwyd last November, yet kept banging on about it only being a topic for the last three weeks.

John Chorlton should maybe avoid a career with the Samaritans with the positive spin he put on the council's finances! What I didn't get though, is how after we were told to keep questions on topic, how Mr C went on to compare our situation to that of Middlesborough?
Hmm, not the best example to set, or relevant I feel.

Does anyone on here know the leading figures at all? We definitely need to work as a unit now, and as has been mentioned, work towards one petition. Or just use whichever has the most signatures?

There is scope for having a table at the market, maybe the car boots and Tesco's etc to raise more awareness and get more signatures. The online petition has spanned the globe now and is ticking over nicely towards 600 on its own. I know it's not a huge number, but it all helps eh?

Sorry if I've had a bit of a rant, I've been up all night sorting out some work for a client and relentless tends to make me a bit hyper!   :-[ ;)
 
Anything I can help with or do, just let me know!

I'll go through the points another poster suggested from the posted pdf when I have time.

Ta ta!

This might be handy? http://wales.gov.uk/docs/dhss/publications/090521escconcernsguidanceen.pdf
Title: Re: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: Carnedyr on Thursday 23 August 2012, 0951
A public meeting was told that now all Anglesey’s other council-owned care homes will be thrown into the mix as part of a comprehensive review of care for the elderly.

Other homes whose future is under review are Plas Mona in Llanfairpwll, Brwynog in Amlwch, Plas Penlan in Llangefni, Haulfre in Llangoed and Plas Crigyll in Bryngwran.


At Tuesday night’s meeting Shelly Heald, who works at Garreglwyd, asked the council’s interim head of communities Stephen Sloss: “Have you been in touch with staff at other care homes yet? When will we find out about our jobs?”

Mr Sloss, who leaves his post in the next few days, answered: “No, we have not spoken to the other homes yet."

“We were hoping to spare other homes the conversation, as it led to quite a bit of drama."

“We will be meeting managers at the other homes tomorrow."

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2012/08/23/five-more-care-homes-face-axe-on-anglesey-55578-31678960/
Title: Re: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: monkeyworld on Monday 27 August 2012, 1946
It is disgraceful that the Council are contemplating closing the homes on Anglesey to save money.  They should have thought about saving money when they decided to build the new foyer on their office in Llangefni and spending on compiling an electorols list when we did not get an election to name but two way the Council are wasting our money.

 
Title: Re: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: Che Guevaras Flip Flops on Monday 27 August 2012, 2300
and spending on compiling an electorols list when we did not get an election to name but two way the Council are wasting our money.

They have to do that every year anyway - each year, by law, the Electoral Registration Officer has to prepare a new and accurate voters lists.  This is known as the 'Annual Canvass'.  They also have to supplement this - again by law, with a facility for 'Rolling Registration'.  Has nothing to do with elections - is to do with 'picking-up' all the new voters for that year and trying to work out who has left the area.  Goes on al over UK because that electoral register isn't just for council elections - it's for Assembly and UK general as well and you never know when a by-election or even a full general election is going to be called.

They'll be doing it again next year as well. And every year after.

So far,  only 6% of the cuts required have actually been carried out.  Multiply what you have seen already by 15 and that's the scale of whats to come.  That isn't to put us in the black,  that's just to stop us sliding deeper into debt and to show how little that 6% actually is,  the just-announced renovation of Parliament will cost a quarter of what has been so far saved.   

Most people have no comprehension of the scale and impact of what is yet to be even announced as to what is going to happen to public spending at all levels over the next decade or so.
Title: Re: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: Reenie on Wednesday 19 September 2012, 1254
Any news?
Title: Re: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: nanon on Wednesday 19 September 2012, 1544
I wonder if the council have thought where they will put all they these elderly people if they close the nursing homes. The elderly people won't have there own homes to go back to.
Title: Re: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: Reenie on Thursday 11 October 2012, 0734
A Public Meeting to discuss the the proposed closure of Garreglwyd Residential Home, will be held at Holyhead High School, tonight (11th) at 7pm
All Welcome, your views and support are very Important in the fight to keep this lovely home open!
Title: Re: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: Reenie on Thursday 09 March 2017, 1205
5 years on. I think GG is still standing.

What's happening?

Title: Re: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: Jean on Thursday 09 March 2017, 1632
In 2014, Anglesey Council were looking to sell it - http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/anglesey-garreglwyd-care-home-elderly-7113643

It still seems to be going, though - https://www.carehome.co.uk/carehome.cfm/searchazref/10005036GARB
Title: Re: Garreglwyd "come on down"
Post by: Reenie on Monday 13 March 2017, 1339
Curiouser and curiouser :)