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Protests, Meetings, Events and Occasions in Holyhead => Protest: Land & Lakes - Penrhos development => Topic started by: Che Guevaras Flip Flops on Wednesday 13 February 2013, 1114

Title: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Che Guevaras Flip Flops on Wednesday 13 February 2013, 1114
For those interested, Mon FM will be hosting a radio phone-in at 2-4pm on Feb 20th regarding the Land & Lakes/Penrhos development.

Present will be:-

Against The Development
Hilary Paterson-Jones, Chair, Save Penrhos Nature Reserve.
Raymond Jones (Lab), Councillor, Anglesey County Council

For The Development
Richard Sidi Director, Land & Lakes
Joe Lock, (Lab) Councillor,Holyhead Town

Although the development is in Joe Lock's Town Council ward, it's surprising Labour have allowed him out of his box. He's not a particulalrly gifted politician in my opinion, possessing a remarkable ability to shoot himself in the foot, but for some reason the local Labour party continue to have great faith in his future.

You can submit questions in advance by e-mail (studio@monfm.co.uk), or tweet on the day to @MonFMRadio , or call-in during the programme on 01248 722224

Mon FM can be listened to on their website monfm.co.uk via a PC, handheld, or a mobile phone
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Che Guevaras Flip Flops on Thursday 14 February 2013, 2035
Joe Lock has withdrawn.    One wonders whether he has been ordered to.    Paterson-Jones would have minced him very very quickly and easily.       Speculation is that they will 'up-gun' their team and put either Chorlton or even Albert in his place.

Another possibility is Labour do not wish to appear divided and because Raymond Jones is part of the 'anti' group and  is definately not for turning or even lowering his profile, they will surrender their 'pro' place to someone not connected to the Labour Party
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Che Guevaras Flip Flops on Saturday 16 February 2013, 1646
THERE IS A SITE MEETING AT PENRHOS THIS THURSDAY 21st FEBRUARY AT 11AM. THE OFFICIAL COMMITTEE WHO MAKE THE DECISION ON THE LAND& LAKES PLANS WILL BE VISITING PENRHOS. AMONGST THINGS THEY WILL ASSESS IS MANY PEOPLE ARE WALKING THERE.   IF YOU ARE FREE CAN YOU BE THERE TO SHOW THESE PEOPLE HOW BUSY PENRHOS GETS.
 
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Blaster Bates on Sunday 17 February 2013, 0848
Not much help for the 21st, but I was there yesterday and the car park was FULL, lots of people and children enjoying themselves. One wonders what the point of going there mid-week is when the children have just gone back to school?

Blaster
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Che Guevaras Flip Flops on Sunday 17 February 2013, 1219
Not much help for the 21st, but I was there yesterday and the car park was FULL, lots of people and children enjoying themselves. One wonders what the point of going there mid-week is when the children have just gone back to school?

Blaster

My personal opinion is they have picked term-time, midweek, winter in order to deliberately get an artificially low impression of usage.
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Nooks on Sunday 17 February 2013, 1922
Aye, for many tourists, holidaymakers etc that are onbly there during the summer months, it is also something of a pilgrimage.

I think more or less everytime I come to Caergybi I visit in turn: Penrhos; South Stack; Newry; the Breakwater and various other places, just for the tranquility.

Che, has BBC/ITV news been informed of this meeting? They may be interested in sending a crew up.
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Che Guevaras Flip Flops on Sunday 17 February 2013, 2157
Aye, for many tourists, holidaymakers etc that are onbly there during the summer months, it is also something of a pilgrimage.

I think more or less everytime I come to Caergybi I visit in turn: Penrhos; South Stack; Newry; the Breakwater and various other places, just for the tranquility.

Che, has BBC/ITV news been informed of this meeting? They may be interested in sending a crew up.

Yes.  In my capacity as webmaster for the website (savepenrhos.co.uk),  I have sent details to all the local and regional press and also to the BBC and other interested organisations (RSPB, Badger Protection, Friends of the Earth etc)
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: bunnyears2 on Sunday 17 February 2013, 2347
I'll be there, take a 'dentist' hour off. How long will the site meeting be on for? Going to ask others if they're free to visit ;D.
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Che Guevaras Flip Flops on Monday 18 February 2013, 2137
No more than an hour to an hour and a half as they will be at Llangefni for a Q&A after that.
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: The Prying I on Tuesday 19 February 2013, 2151
Gutted I can't make it, I would love to ask them how the development is going to create 600 jobs as reported in todays Daily Post. 
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Carnedyr on Wednesday 20 February 2013, 0453
if you work out how many jobs 1 person can do in an 8 hour shift the answer is more realistic.
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Che Guevaras Flip Flops on Wednesday 20 February 2013, 0823
Gutted I can't make it, I would love to ask them how the development is going to create 600 jobs as reported in todays Daily Post.

They starting to box clever over that.   As the discerning reader knows they use the phrase (fte) in conjunction wiht jobs and are now mumbling about dependent on season, site occupancy rates etc etc.     

Other things that are being downplayed - even though they are in council discussion documents,  the planning applications etc are that they already have a similar complex in Cumbria.  It's less than 30% finished and is up for sale.      The 500 associated houses they wish to build at Kingsland - the vast bulk will not be aimed at 'locals' and already behind the scenes they and certain councillors want some of the cymraeg schools changing back to English for fear that the development will not attract the 'right type' of people if they can't send their kids to local schools because they don't understand welsh.  And the final thing they play down is that the holiday park at Penrhos/Cae Glas won't start being built until after the workers accommodation is pulled down after Wylfa B is built so using an example timescale based on pre-Wylfa work starting tomorrow and the published build times,  Penrhos Holiday Park will not open for business for 14 years at least.
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Nooks on Sunday 24 February 2013, 1241
Any news from the site meeting?
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Che Guevaras Flip Flops on Sunday 24 February 2013, 1632
Any news from the site meeting?

It was the Planning Inspectors.  Apparently they don't believe that the checks and environmental studies have been carried out properly and may be sending them back to L&L with a very tight time limit to re-do them satisfactorily
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Carnedyr on Saturday 02 March 2013, 1415
For anyone who missed the MonFM show like me cos was at work, you can replay it here:

http://www.mixcloud.com/MonFM/the-great-debate-20-2-13-land-and-lakes-development-at-penrhos/
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Carnedyr on Tuesday 05 March 2013, 1611
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A £120m holiday village project tipped to create 600 jobs has been dealt a blow with the Countryside Council for Wales coming out against the plan.

Tourism company Land and Lakes wants to create the giant leisure park on 630 acres at Penrhos Coastal Park and agricultural land on the outskirts of Holyhead.

It would see nearly 500 holiday lodges built along with a water park and leisure village.

There would be a further 725 homes built - with 300 of those used to house workers on the planned Wylfa B scheme.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2013/03/05/countryside-experts-come-out-against-120m-holiday-village-55578-32926640/

Good News  ;)
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Che Guevaras Flip Flops on Wednesday 06 March 2013, 1057
You will notice how the first story which you linked Carnedyr ( http://tinyurl.com/cajec22  )  has beeb re-published 12 hours later as this one (  http://tinyurl.com/cnkslvx ).

The first story you could comment on,  the second is the same story, with one sentence from an opponent, one sentence from a supporter -  and two paragraphs from Richard Sidi and no comments allowed.  Sidi makes the observation that it's only 1% of Anglesey's coastline.

Which is exactly the point Sidi you cretin.   We don't oppose you building it, just building it there build it somewhere on the other 99% - such as next to Wylfa.
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Che Guevaras Flip Flops on Wednesday 06 March 2013, 1749
Latest is that CCW aren't just against this,  they are 100% against it full stop.  They -are saying Penrhos is not just important to Holyhead or Anglesey - it's important to the entire nation of Wales.
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Carnedyr on Thursday 07 March 2013, 1010
I know Che, the daftest idea that it is possible to develop an area of outstanding natural beauty says it all really?

Oh all those lovely natural holiday homes in place of 200 year old trees, and there will still be a small part of the area freely open to the public, well it's all going to be accessible to the public so long as you pay for a holiday there.
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Che Guevaras Flip Flops on Thursday 07 March 2013, 1355
It represents a remarkable shift in position by CCW.    4 months ago they were ambivalent towards the project but since they got more involved in the detail of the proposals and visiting the site to see for themselves they have moved from ambivalence to total opposition in any shape or form.  Such a dramatic shift in such a short space of time has caused the Welsh Government to bring forward their next committee meeting to the week after next.   So that's now NWWT, CCW, FoE, Woodland Trust and several other big-hitters firmly in the 'no' camp.
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Carnedyr on Thursday 07 March 2013, 1511
It represents a remarkable shift in position by CCW.    4 months ago they were ambivalent towards the project but since they got more involved in the detail of the proposals and visiting the site to see for themselves they have moved from ambivalence to total opposition in any shape or form.  Such a dramatic shift in such a short space of time has caused the Welsh Government to bring forward their next committee meeting to the week after next.   So that's now NWWT, CCW, FoE, Woodland Trust and several other big-hitters firmly in the 'no' camp.

Good news hopefully
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Trefignath on Friday 08 March 2013, 1613

Good news hopefully

Only if they can trump the developers claim that they have the right / need to make money.
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Carnedyr on Tuesday 19 March 2013, 1412
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep_3ueFtzhA
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Trefignath on Tuesday 19 March 2013, 1444
"Colleagues agreed?" ??

No resolution proposed? No vote taken?

Not my idea of democracy - participatory or otherwise.
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Che Guevaras Flip Flops on Tuesday 19 March 2013, 1907
They have rejected the petition on the grounds it's private land.

More to follow.......................
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Carnedyr on Wednesday 20 March 2013, 0659
Sounds like the proposal was closed because it is privately owned land so does not meet the criteria, however, even if it had been designated it would not afford it any more protection than it now has with the AONB (Area Of Outstanding Natural Beauty). SSSI (Site of Special Scientific Interest) of Beddmanarch and Cymyran MudFlats. TPO's (Tree Preservation Orders) on the Trees.

This is my understanding following some info on the Save Penrhos Nature Park group.

Can Land and Lakes work around this and go ahead with the development?
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Che Guevaras Flip Flops on Wednesday 20 March 2013, 1129
Sounds like the proposal was closed because it is privately owned land so does not meet the criteria, however, even if it had been designated it would not afford it any more protection than it now has with the AONB (Area Of Outstanding Natural Beauty). SSSI (Site of Special Scientific Interest) of Beddmanarch and Cymyran MudFlats. TPO's (Tree Preservation Orders) on the Trees.

This is my understanding following some info on the Save Penrhos Nature Park group.

Can Land and Lakes work around this and go ahead with the development?

Unless the council are stopped from approving it then it will get the go-ahead (likewise Newry) so an awful lot will now depend on the County Council elections in May.
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Carnedyr on Monday 25 March 2013, 1057
Taken from the Save Penrhos Nature Park site:

*****AFTER BEING IN TALKS WITH 'FRIENDS OF THE EARTH' ORGANISATION,FOR THE LAST YEAR, WHO, MIGHT I ADD, HAVE SUPPORTED US THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE FIGHT AGAINST LAND & LAKES PLANS...THIS IS THEIR LATEST LETTER TO ALL THE COUNCILLORS THROUGHOUT ANGLESEY & HOLYHEAD...THIS LETTER WILL ALSO BE REPRESENTED TO THE ISLE OF ANGLESEY COUNTY COUNCIL IN OPPOSITION TO LAND & LAKES PLANS*****
PLEASE READ ALL BELOW.......

Letter to Planning Committee members regarding Penrhos Proposals.

by Môn & Gwynedd Friends of the Earth (Notes) on Sunday, 24 March 2013 at 12:38...

re Outline Planning Application ref no. 46C427K/TR/EIA/ECON (Penrhos Coastal Park/Cae Glas/Kingsland)







Dear Cllr XXX,



We are writing to all members of the IACC Planning Committee to draw attention to key negative impacts of the Land and Lakes application for a leisure village at Penrhos Coastal Park (CP) with related development at Cae Glas and further housing development at Kingsland. We have a variety of concerns over this application (in our opinion the housing at Kingsland should be treated as entirely separate), including:



1. Loss of a site of high amenity value



Penrhos CP is a highly valued recreational area to which local people, schools and visitors have enjoyed access since 1972. Despite the intention to retain some managed woodland at Penrhos CP, the impact of the development will be the loss of public access to a very large area of woodland. The Environmental Statement for the application acknowledges that the woodland at Penrhos CP is “the only sizeable area of woodland” in this part of Anglesey. At a recent site visit, Ed Henderson, IACC landscape/woodland officer, expressed concerns about loss of the high amenity value of the area.



Opportunity for public access is cited as one of the key planning issues in Sect. 2.1 of the 1996 Ynys Môn Local Plan. Similarly, Sect 14.1 of the stopped UDP recognises that, “the opportunities for public access to countryside, beach and coast together with its distinctive culture and language are vitally important assets that the planning system must seek to manage, conserve, protect and promote through land use decisions.”



We are very concerned about the trend towards developments on Anglesey that restrict access of the public to areas traditionally open to them.



2. Impact on an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty (AONB)



The proposals relating to Penrhos CP and Cae Glas fall within the Anglesey Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty (AONB). The primary objective in designating AONBs is the conservation and enhancement of their natural beauty, and proposals should not cause significant harm to the designation or its setting. The Vision Statement in the current Anglesey AONB Management Plan opens by calling for “the unique landscape, natural beauty and special qualities of the Isle of Anglesey AONB” to be “conserved and enhanced for the benefit of present and future generations”. Similarly, policy VE 4.1 of the Management Plan is to “promote access for all (where appropriate), whilst also protecting the AONB’s special qualities and the integrity of the European sites.”



The application is clearly in conflict with these aspirations. This has been recognised by the Countryside Council for Wales (CCW), who have concluded that the development would have a “severe detrimental impact” on the AONB and contravenes the above-mentioned main statutory purpose of the AONB, i.e. to conserve and enhance natural beauty.

If the AONB designation is to have any meaning, developments such as the Land and Lakes proposal must be rejected.



3. Cost of related highways improvements

Both the proposed Penrhos leisure village and the housing for nuclear workers at Cae Glas will entail major increases in traffic. In the case of the leisure village, the increase can be expected to come in pulses as all visitors will presumably arrive on the same days of the week (at the comparable Center Parcs developments, there are two designated days for arrival). Regarding the accommodation for nuclear workers, discussions with Horizon have revealed that their preferred option is in fact dispersal of workers across the island in various forms of accommodation, rather than concentration at one location.

The extent of the increased traffic will require major highways improvements. The Transport Assessment by Curtins Consulting Ltd. mentions (a) a new roundabout on the A5 to provide access into the Penrhos site and (b) a new priority junction on Kingsland Road to provide access into the Kingsland site. We are concerned that cost of these and other improvements will be very high and will fall upon the council tax payer.



We hope that you will take these concerns, and the other objections, fully into account when considering this application.
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Che Guevaras Flip Flops on Monday 25 March 2013, 1940
They wrote a very good objection letter a few weeks back as well.
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: abc123 on Wednesday 06 November 2013, 2315
those tw*ts voted for Penrhos to be destroyed. This is so sad. Surely an appeal is possible? Were they bribed????? This is too important to allow any corruption or backhanders to have taken place. What a travesty.

Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Che Guevaras Flip Flops on Friday 08 November 2013, 0809
"I used to say that politics was the second-oldest profession. I have come to know that it bears a gross similarity to the first". Ronald Reagan

The report (06 Nov) from the Planning Officer to the Committee was an example of disgraceful scaremongering tactics at their worst and tantamount to blackmail.

What the Planning Officer (unelected civil servant) suggested to the Councillors (mandated by balloting the people) was 'Yes this does go against 11 of our planning policies but if you don't pass it then the developer can put in a claim against the council for several hundred thousand pounds all because we the Officers were minded to pass this at the start - we've made the mistake but if you don't pass it then the public will pay for it because the council has no money and we are already asking for voluntary redundancies so this money would have to be paid by the people of Anglesey through higher taxes and more cuts.  So you better vote in favour or else.

That is an outrageous position for non-elected (and non-accountable) people to take on several levels.

The impact that 'threat' had was such that one councillor said they were Against but would be voting For because they were scared of the consequences and other councillors were almost certainly similalrly swayed by being forced into a corner not of their creating.

Another councillor pointed out that this is the largest development plan to ever be suggested for an AONB anywhere in England & Wales - something that if it goes ahead it creates a situation where it would be extremly difficult to deny any planning applications for any AONB in England & Wales because this one could be used at Appeal as a precedent.

We must now persue a path of demanding a Welsh Government Ministerial Inquiry into this flagrant disregard for established planning protocol and 'gun against the head' attitude of the Planning Officer and more details of how to campaign for this will be communicated in coming weeks.

The lady supporter of ours that was physically assaulted by a member of the 'For' group is shaken and upset by the incident but has not suffered any lasting injury and is considering whether to persue matters further with the authorities (who witnessed the incident and removed the assailant).
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: action on Friday 08 November 2013, 1254
FINALLY A BIT OF GOOD NEWS FOR THE PEOPLE OF HOLYHEAD/YNYS MON!!!
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Porty on Friday 08 November 2013, 1358
It's my understanding that the WAG backed this (behind closed doors) also they will pass it when they hear the case but with a reduced housing application.
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Shell on Friday 08 November 2013, 2325
This whole thing could turn in to something great or it could turn into something awful. Personally I'm glad it's going ahead because sometimes you have to take chances. Whatever happens to that land it'll never belong to the people of Holyhead.  it didn't before AA bought it and it won't after they've sold it.  Not while there's money to be made from it.
I saw the protest on Youtube and was saddened to see the childish behaviour of some. That kind of display does neither side any good.
There were some familiar faces there too  ;)
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: abc123 on Saturday 09 November 2013, 0850
I watched the youtube video.

How sad.

"Jobs for the children" was the rant. On what planet are you from???

With the A55 all you have to do is drive less than 15 minutes and you are in Bangor where there is more work to look for. Another 15 minutes you are in Clowyn Bay then a few more in Chester. There are so more jobs now a days with a short drive than there were years ago. Plus education is so cheap. Do you know how easy it is to train as a plumber, electrician, chef, mechanic etc etc these days?

Bloody hell, it took me 20 minutes to walk to school one way in Holyhead. What is the big deal about "jobs on Anglesey"? Grow the hell up. You don’t know how lucky to are to live in such beautiful place.

That whole area is going to be destroyed so that a millionaire prick can make more money out of an Island that is unique and has un-spoilt beauty beyond belief. I bet he could not believe his eyes when he saw it.

Now with this will probably come a 4 lane by-pass across Church Bay to Wylfa B. Can you imagine?

Even Cornwall does not compete with the natural beauty of the Island, now that is put at risk to feather someone's pocket and create mundane split shift jobs at minimum wage for a handful of people.

Absolutely moronic and shameful.

Where is your custodianship???

“Oh but 80 pounds per week extra on top of benefits to feed my Priceys and Beer is far more important than protecting the land for years and generations to come”

Pathetic.  No other word to describe it. Pathetic.

I bet those who voted for it would also been the kind to destroy the last of an animal breed to use the skin for winter because they were cold.

“Who cares yeah if the animal yeah is gone forever yeah, as long as I keep warm yeah and get my Priceys yeah and fags yeah”

I hope this gets taken to parliament. This has to be stopped, it is nonsense, immoral and simply wrong and I think people who actually have a brain should make a decision to protect this land. This is custodianship not 1960s economics.
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: action on Monday 11 November 2013, 1522
I'd be interested to hear about these jobs in Bangor and Conwy etc.
And who exactly will commute either to or past Conwy for jobs on the lower end of the salary scale, like the kind that will arise from this sort of development?
You're taking quite a shortsighted view if you believe that this proposal will lead to some kind of industrialisation of Anglesey/Holyhead and that the natural beauty will be lost.
A similar drive like you mentioned will take you to Newborough, Red Wharf, Snowdonia etc the area is absolutely rammed full of AONB, so in the grand scheme of things can we not sacrifice a small patch for the chance to bring some level of prosperity to the area?
Did Anglesey Aluminium ever face this kind of objection in its planning stages? Look at the money that place pumped into the island, Wylfa too. We'd be little more than a retirement home without them.
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Che Guevaras Flip Flops on Tuesday 12 November 2013, 1944
I'd be interested to hear about these jobs in Bangor and Conwy etc.
And who exactly will commute either to or past Conwy for jobs on the lower end of the salary scale, like the kind that will arise from this sort of development?
You're taking quite a shortsighted view if you believe that this proposal will lead to some kind of industrialisation of Anglesey/Holyhead and that the natural beauty will be lost.
A similar drive like you mentioned will take you to Newborough, Red Wharf, Snowdonia etc the area is absolutely rammed full of AONB, so in the grand scheme of things can we not sacrifice a small patch for the chance to bring some level of prosperity to the area?
Did Anglesey Aluminium ever face this kind of objection in its planning stages? Look at the money that place pumped into the island, Wylfa too. We'd be little more than a retirement home without them.

we're back to the nub of the argument - the choice of Penrhos.   It is a greenfield site in an AONB.  Amongst the 27 acres of mostly deciduous woodland are hundreds of trees that actually have Tree Preservation Orders on them - some 400 years old and legally classed as ancient.

No-one is against them building the holiday park - indeed there are brownfield sites nearby that they can build on to their hearts content.  But for some reason they are insistant that this part has to go on Penrhos and refuse to consider anywhere else nearby.

This will almost certainly be called-in by Cardiff now because of the implications for AONB all over Wales & England and it's also more than 50/50 that there will be a Ministerial Enquiry as to certain procedural matters.

Incidentally,  the lady from the Save Penrhos group that was 'allegedly' physically assaulted outside Llangefni Couty Hall by a member of the 'pro' group has made a formal complaint to the Police and they are taking statements etc.  There may also be a second complaint in the pipeline made by a freelance cameraman 'allegedly' assaulted by another member of the 'pro' group (it's a cracker when you see the film of it)
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Nooks on Monday 18 August 2014, 2117
Just wondering what the latest news is on this topic - if there is any.
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Che Guevaras Flip Flops on Tuesday 26 August 2014, 2009
Following the Welsh governments refusal to 'call-in' the Penrhos plans,  'AONB', 'SSSI' and 'Greenfield' are no longer considerations regarding planning consent anywhere in England or Wales with the emphasis now being pro-development (thanks Pickles) and a whole host of development applications are in the pipeline all over both countries ( a lot seem to be in the Lake District).

Horizon however, remain firm in their stated position that the workforce for Wylfa Newydd will be dispersed all over the Island and adjoining mainland and not concentrated in one place.  That presents a problem for the Land & Lakes' Penrhos development as their business plan relies on rental income from the site being initially used to house construction workers and their 'plan B' should Horizon remain firm is a drastically smaller holiday park and nothing else.   Although Land & Lakes are under section 106 obligations as part of the initial planning consent for Penrhos,  these are not actually enforceable and they can ignore them if they wish.

Switching now to Wylfa Newydd,  I have heard a whisper from behind the scenes that work on this will not start until 2018 at the earliest because Horizon  (who still have a 6-8 billion funding shortfall) want to crack on with Oldbury first then as each phase in Oldbury is completed, move the relevant workforce here to build the same stage at Wylfa.

So,  lets do a potential timeline.  Based on Wylfa Newydd starting in 2018 and taking 8 years to build, and Horizon doing a complete about turn and housing their workforce on Penrhos  that would mean that the earliest that Land & Lakes would start to be turned into a leisure park would be 2026 and then another couple of years at least before it opened.  And that's provided there are no delays - and as far as I can tell, bo nuclear build has ever been completed anywhere near on time.

The rest of the Tinto site has yet to be demolished and because of industrial contaminants will take and awful long time to restore - which it has to be by law before further development can take place on that bit.

The other two developments are the Stena-Conygar Marina on Newry and the relocation of terminal one out onto Salt Island along with the relevant extensions to the A55 etc.  Both of these have quite extensive plans in circulation - and little more.  No projected start dates, build times etc etc.  Being as both involve Stena, who are currently undergoing a major company re-organisation that is not over yet, in all probability you are looking at not before 2017 for the start of either of those.   On the plus side B&M are offering near zero hour part time contracts on minimum wage.

The abandonment of any notion of Parc Cybi being a potential light engineering, tech park is complete and it's turning into a lorry park is already underway.  In addition Stena-Conygar are still trying to brow beat the Welsh government into paying the cost of them building a warehouse complex on part of the site - smart money is that should the grants be approved Stena will then abandon their warehouse in Mona and relocate the function and the staff to Parc Cybi.  Again whispers I have heard are that that the powers-that-be are willing to pay grants for new warehousing to be built, but not if the end result is all that happens is Stena relocate an already existing workforce from one place to another as that is 'zero sum' in the long term job creation scheme and the taxpayer would have footed the bill.

So in summary,  lots of plans flying about,  lots of hot air, lots of committees and meetings and lots of councillors expenses.  And that's about your lot other than a bit of tarmac laying going on on part of Parc Cybi and some ground surveying in progress near Wylfa.
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Nooks on Wednesday 27 August 2014, 0037
Thanks Che, very comprehensive.
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: nanon on Wednesday 27 August 2014, 1204
Thanks, very interesting.
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Trefignath on Thursday 28 August 2014, 1550
Following the Welsh governments refusal to 'call-in' the Penrhos plans,  'AONB', 'SSSI' and 'Greenfield' are no longer considerations regarding planning consent anywhere in England or Wales with the emphasis now being pro-development (thanks Pickles) and a whole host of development applications are in the pipeline all over both countries ( a lot seem to be in the Lake District).

Good news for all potential frackers then...


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...Although Land & Lakes are under section 106 obligations as part of the initial planning consent for Penrhos,  these are not actually enforceable and they can ignore them if they wish.


Geeeze what an exercise in futility. Just proves you can't believe a thing these people say.

Thanks for the update Che.

Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Che Guevaras Flip Flops on Thursday 28 August 2014, 1904
Latest on Wylfa Newydd

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/wylfa-newydd-reactor-approval-target-7683683
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Nooks on Sunday 23 August 2015, 2137
So in summary,  lots of plans flying about,  lots of hot air, lots of committees and meetings and lots of councillors expenses.  And that's about your lot other than a bit of tarmac laying going on on part of Parc Cybi and some ground surveying in progress near Wylfa.

So, any more news? Like I said on the Newry thread, no diggers have been spotted yet. However I'm sure I saw recently that the Biomass idea for AAL land will be happening. I've also seen that a lot of survey work offshore around the coastline has been carried out recently. Is this anything to do with tidal power research possibly - which might necessitate some property on land to bring it ashore? Food King is open but the tractor units still seem to prefer Argos (not surprisingly - it's free).
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Nooks on Tuesday 13 October 2015, 2224
Found this - and towards the bottom of the page are links to earlier news clips.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/anglesey-leisure-park-bid-takes-10217317
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Che Guevaras Flip Flops on Tuesday 13 October 2015, 2315
Last week,  Horizon held a meeting with the population of Valley.  They re-iterated their position- they have no intention of housing workers at Penrhos.   They will be dispersed across Anglesey and the adjoing parts of the mainland other than some in a purpose built site nearer Wylfa.  Coincidentally, a couple of days later Conygar bought Rhosgoch, with the intention of turning part of it into a purpose built workers camp.

People who have been following this will recall that Sidi (director of Land & Lakes) stated at the second planning meeting in Llangefni that if the workers were not housed at Penrhos, then he would not build the full plan - if bild any at all because he wouldn't have the money.
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: that guy on Friday 07 October 2016, 1251
Penrhos now has opening and closing times.  I wonder who enforces these?  If I go there after closing time am I trespassing?
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Nooks on Thursday 04 May 2017, 2139
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/groundworks-start-150m-anglesey-holiday-12892313
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Che Guevaras Flip Flops on Friday 05 May 2017, 1633
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/groundworks-start-150m-anglesey-holiday-12892313

These so-called 'groundworks' are a statutory obligation that they have to carry out every year or forfeit the planning application.
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: that guy on Friday 05 May 2017, 1752
Taken 29:04 back of ALPOCO, leads off from the remains of the old A5 towards the railway bridge.  Access would be possible from the actual A5, meaning a portion of the old A5 gets resurrected.

I'd rather it didn't.
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Nooks on Wednesday 24 May 2017, 1018
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/holyheads-land-lakes-nuclear-worker-12829040
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Che Guevaras Flip Flops on Wednesday 24 May 2017, 1248
This is an old report (nearly two months).  There is some element of 'mis-reporting' in that article.   There were no long-running discussions between Land & Lakes and Horizon concerning nuclear workers.   

What there was in reality was Land & Lakes continually trying to get Horizon to negotiate with little success.   Horizon's position over Penrhos was made clear at the outset and has remained resolute from then to now - that they had no plans to house the workers there.

Horizon - via Conygar,  have aquired the old Rhosgoch site and intend to build their own camp there, which will be converted to council housing at the end of the build and gifted to the council as part of their 'legacy'.  In addition they tend to utilise B&Bs, private lets etc etc to supplement this in an area covering the whole island and the adjoining mainland as far as Conwy/Llandudno one way, Caernarfon the other,  in order to disperse the workforce as much as possible and prevent the over-loading of local services and infra-structure.

Since that article Land 7 Lakes have abandoned their initial plan and no longer intend to build on Cae Glas,  no longer intend to build the 300 4/5 bed etached houses on Kingsland and will reduce the size of the core complex on the Penrhos side.
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Che Guevaras Flip Flops on Wednesday 24 May 2017, 1424
And it now appears that they don't intend to use the Rhosgoch site for accommodation - they intend to build far closer than that to the site

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/take-tour-seven-storey-anglesey-13083119

Presumably then Rhosgoch will be some sort of forward logistics dump for materials.

BUT people should also remember that when Land & Lakes bludgeoned the council Planning Officers into passing this, the s106 restrictions that were put in place were only applicable if the whole thing went ahead, not just part of it.  So Land & Lakes will now no longer build a new Nature Reserve, new Cricket Pitch, new Swimming Pool, new Football Pitch and new affordable housing for locals. They also are no longer obligated to donate to social care/schools/fire/hospital funds locally.  In addition,  they currently owe the Council £1.5M (and rising), are late paying it - by a year or so, and according to their accounts at Companies House are currently unable to repay even one percent of that.
Title: Re: Penrhos/ Land & Lakes/MonFM
Post by: Trefignath on Tuesday 30 May 2017, 1240
From the developer's arsenal we have the famous disappearing carrot.
First you see, it then you don't.